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@Participants:	SJT Subject, SAB Subject, SEL Subject, SX5 Subject, SJM ShowHost
@ID:	en|guillot|SJT|||1FE||Subject|Native Speakers of French (Erasmus student)|
@ID:	en|guillot|SAB|||1FE||Subject|Native Speakers of French (Erasmus student)|
@ID:	en|guillot|SEL|||1FE||Subject|Native Speakers of French (Erasmus student)|
@ID:	en|guillot|SX5|||1FE||Subject|Native Speakers of French (Erasmus student)|
@ID:	en|guillot|SJM|||||ShowHost||
@Coder:	Marie-Noëlle Guillot converter MMT
*SJM:	ok so er (.) we're going to talk about er: (.)
	[^ com: indrawn breath] advertising for: tobacco and: we'll discuss
	er: advertising and anti_smoking campaign and I would like to know
	er: about your opinion about this thing and: what are (.) your point
	of view about (.) this kind of campaigns are you against it are you
	for and what are your arguments .
@Comment:	slight pause with some nervous sniggering  
*SJM:	maybe someone with: in favour of this kind of campaign could start
	.
@Comment:	more laughter from SJM and SEL
*SEL:	erm: (.) I'm 'for th(the) c(ampaigns) th(the) (.) anti_tobacco
	campaigns but I think that erm: (.) (.) erm: (.) advertising can be
	used in the media (.) to erm: and have an influence on people (.) s
	(.) I think is a very very good mean to er: to s(tart) er: start a
	lower the consommation
	[^ com: SEL uses the French word but with an English pronunciation]
	of tobacco in France .
*SJM:	yeah but do do you really think it works I mean how do you (.)
	'think it 'really works do you have (.) some kind of (.) 'proof that
	anti campaign anti_smoking campaign (.) having a 'really good
	influence on people do you really think that people by (this) kind
	of campaign really 'stop smoking .
*SEL:	er: I'm just I'm just (.) er: (.) (.) er: referring to: my my own
	impressions when I see erm: advertising against (.) tobacco I'm a
	non (.) smoker so xxx that (.) I can't have a very neutral point of
	view but (.) I think that (.) erm: advertising is getting more and
	more 'shocking (.) so: (.) it is erm (.) I mean it's not very
	'violent there's less erm: (.) (.) mm it's more 'impressing
	[^ com: interrogative intonation on this word] so I think that if I
	was a smoker it would it would not make me stop but it n(nx) would
	make me think about it .
@Comment:	small pause – other speakers wait to be sure SEL has finished 
*SJM:	<[^ gui: startFalse] [^ gui: SIM] ok what [^ gui: endFalse]> [<] .
*SJT:	<[^ gui: SIM] I'm not> [<] sure about it (.) because I'm a smoker
	and (.) even if I saw a picture of shocking (.) inter_ (.) I(I) I'm
	still smoking [^ com: last word said with a laugh] .
*SJM:	so just (.) saying that even if you've got very shocking images or:
	very shocking [^ com: indrawn breath] erm: testimony of people
	who've been smoking for long and this kind of thing do you think it
	r(rx) it won't help you stop so what kind of (.) advertising then
	will help you (.) I mean what kind of 'thing would just make you
	think ok I just can't do it anymore .
*SJT:	I don't know because cigarette is addiction and it's(it's) it's
	really hard (.) to stop .
*SJM:	yeah but y(you) you don't think that cam(campaign) a campaign
	c(can) can help you .
*SJT:	no I don't think so .
*SJM:	[^ com: to SAB] what's your point of view .
*SAB:	erm: I think that adver(advertising) advertising i(is) is (.)
	helping to (.) inform people and: helping to express different
	prom(px) points of view so: erm: maybe we should er 'keep er (.)
	advertising campaign for er for er cigarettes 'and er advertising
	campaign against (.) against it so: (.) erm (.) er: (.) doctors (.)
	can e(express) express their point of view and: erm: (.) and: (.)
	tobacco companies also (.) so mix of the two (.) would be good I
	think .
*SJM:	yeah but as as: as 'she said a(as) as a smoker she said that even
	if the (.) the advertising are really shocking and whatever she can
	see on TV it won't help her smok(smoking) stop <say> [>] .
*SAB:	[^ gui: INTP] <maybe> [<] but there there are <a lot of xxx> [>]
	[^ gui: INTPclose] .
*SJM:	[^ gui: INTP]<what kind> [>] of thing do you prescribe I mean
	wha(what) have you got kind of idea what kind of (.) (.) images or
	what kind of dialogue should be held (.) to really (.) 'help people
	smoke (.) stop <smoking> [>] [^ gui: INTPclose] .
*SAB:	<I think> [<] I think 'images (.) could help just (.) erm (.) you
	know shocking images (.) which are you: show I don't know like [>1]
	(.) <erm> [>] (.) no like with a ' bang and just a just a a strong
	image (.) and maybe it won't 'help s(stopping) help people stopping
	(.) but (.) it could help people not starting spung(spunging)
	smoking especially young people ther(therx) because erm: they: tend
	to be more impressed by these kind of things and: erm: and I think
	most young people er: wat(watch) watch TV (.) so: maybe (.) for
	them.
*SEL:	<hm> [<1].
*SJM:	so th(that) you say that (.) maybe advertising should be: done
	especially for young people so that that mean that er: special kind
	of ad(advertising) advertising should be made and: shown on TV at
	special hours too then (.) because if it's <directed to(towards)>
	[>1] towards children and: especially young people (.) so: it means
	it's not the same kind of ad(advert) advert you l(lx) should you say
	that it should be made two kind of advertising then.
*SAB:	<yeah why not> [<1].
*SAB:	hm .
*SJM:	[^ gui: TCD] or just one f(fx) one one campaign for everyone and
	(.) <hopefully it is best> [>].
*SEL:	hm <I think it must be:> [>] it must be targeted (.) really .
*SAB:	yeah .
*SJM:	yeah why .
*SAB:	because a(as) as she said a smoker won't stop smoking er because
	of(of) of these advertising campaigns so maybe erm: just for those
	who hadn't s (.) erm: started smoking yet and: erm mostly for the
	'youngs because erm when you're older you can make your own choices
	you don't have erm: (.) I mean you don't have the influence of (.)
	your friends smoking or things like that so: it's 'real choice to
	smoke or not to smoke [^ com: indrawn breath] erm: e (.) but maybe
	you're (.) well (.) yes you you're m (.) more (.) erm (.) you you
	can be influenced more easily when you are younger so: erm: (.) so:
	we can balance (.) er the 'influence of the friends and a: and: all
	the: (.) the .
*SJM:	[^ gui: startFalse] yeah but <do you [^ gui: endFalse]> [>].
*SAB:	[^ gui: TCD] < the social> [<] <contact whi(which) which there are>
	[>].
*SJM:	[^ gui: TCDFS] < do you 'really think> [<] that youngsters and
	teenagers for example would be more influenced by a campaign made by
	people they don't know with image they don' really feel (.)
	comfortable with than with friends (.) I mean which do you think
	would be the most influential on this kind of (.) audience I m(mean)
	I mean d(do) for example for teenagers do you think it would
	c(counterbalance) really counterbalance the influence of (.) friends
	of er fashion: and: this kind of stuff .
*SAB:	could be .
*SJM:	[^ com: repeats interrogatively] could be .
*SAB:	yeah .
*SJT:	yeah .
*SJM:	why do y(you) [^ com: slight laugh in voice] you are a smoker so
	[^ com: all laugh] tell u(us) <tell us> [>].
*SJT:	<no no> [<] I do(do) I don't think so (.) because even if you watch
	television (.) even if you see str(striking) striking images (.) (.)
	it's: (.) no [^ com: giggles] no the: the influence of friends and
	(.) of fashion as you said is: really imp(importnat) more important
	that (photos) advertising (.) I think .
*SJM:	yeah (.) because we know that advertising is really er erm a matter
	of (.) [^ com: indrawn breath] giving people: (.) erm like (.)
	ff(feel) I mean feel like doing something or not doing something
	obviously we know it works because if you look at all the other kind
	of campaign for products for other products we know that (.) when
	there's a campaign for (.) this product for example anything (.) it
	works because then then (.) [^ com: lips smacking noise/ swallow]
	the sales increase and that kind of thing but you do your really
	'really think that (.) it can: push someone to stop (.) a bad habit
	like smoking or what about le(let's) let's say other habits what
	about drinking do you think it would be the same (.) I mean
	anti:_alcohol (.) campaign would have the same impact or d(do) do
	you think it sh(should) should have the same (.) concept do you
	think [^ com: suspended] .
*SAB:	well they did campaign on(on) about erm: er: (.) s(stopping)
	stopping drinking before driving and: erm: apparently according to:
	(.) to: the figures we have in the percentages it works (.) so: why
	not (.) why why not with tobacco .
*SJM:	yeah but as she say it int(introduces) also introduces the topic of
	addiction because we know that people smoking are <quickly addicted
	to it> [>1] and then (.) how wouldn't be better I mean to: (.)
	ad(adx) ad(adx) I mean the source of the problem is it really the
	campaign of (.) doing or not doing an anti_smoking campaign or
	should the problem be s(sx) taken at the source and: doing something
	about maybe advertising 'more on: on [^ com: coughs] on the
	cigarette packets or: (.) do you think really TV or some other means
	could be used.
*SAB:	<[^ gui: startFalse] yeah well well I [^ gui: endFalse]> [<1].
*SEL:	I think yeah it can be used as as 'one 'mean but it has to be used
	with other ones which is like a whole process to be done like erm:
	the fact of erm: higher the prices of tobacco and so on .
*SJM:	yeah .
*SX5:	<yeah> [<].
*SEL:	<I think> [<] that the whole [^ com: indrawn breath] erm: yeah the
	whole things which are made erm: just to lower the consommation
	[^ com: French word with English pronunciation] all together can
	work .
*SJM:	<yeah> [<] .
*SEL:	<yeah> [<] i(if) if imagine if you're 'young so you see er:
	anti_tobacco campaigns and so on things on TV striking images at the
	same time you see that the cigarettes are more and more expensive
	(.) and so on with all(all) that .
*SJM:	[^ gui: INTR] yeah but you're taking only one side of of the same
	because on the other side you've got also all this images erm:
	not(not) maybe not directly or consciously but (.) inciting people
	to to smoke I mean if you look af (.) er: your famous singer: or:
	(.) or like your favourite (.) I don't know you favourite actor or
	if you watch movies and people appear very cool: and (.) they appear
	healthy and everything but they are smoking (.) and I mean so you've
	got this images and you say that a whole process should be made but
	in the same time you get the other: influence (.) so it should be
	also I mean should erm: anti_# smoking campaign be also (.) erm: (.)
	(.) enforcing nn: like movies and: everything else should also
	people be f(fx) fo(fox) I mean they can't smoke on TV: or should be
	(.) should be pushed 'this far: just hope that campaign do you think
	only campaign c(could) could stop people from smoking
	[^ gui: INTRclose] .
*SAB:	maybe not but they can: it can (.) help them erm: lower their
	consommation [^ com: French word with English pronunciation] and:
	er: it can help (.) erm young people not to not to start and after w
	(.) well yes we can start a whole [^ com: pronounced like 'wall']
	process but – erm: (.) (.) I think campaign is er: campaigns would
	be the: the first stage (.) after we have we have to: – to do 'other
	things like she said (.) well well it takes time (.) <that's all>
	[>].
*SJM:	<yeah of> [<] course it takes time but [^ com: indrawn breath] I
	think that [^ com: coughs] the thing is that anti_smoking campaign
	are quite good and I think some: some people some political (.)
	political body or: (.) I I don't know who but some people feel very
	comfortable about it and they feel they have good conscience
	afterwards but (.) I don't really 'think it hel(helps) really 'helps
	(.) because then there's so many thing in the same in the same time
	people say we should do anti_smoking campaign on TV to stop people
	from smoking or to prevent lik(like) youngsters and teenagers from
	'starting to smoke but then on the same time [^ com: swallow noise]
	everybody can enter a shop and ask for a pack of cigarettes (.) it's
	not like in certain countries where if you are under (.) sixteen or
	un(unx) below a certain age you can't go and 'buy your own
	cigarettes and then it's so expensive that even if you could it's
	(.) so I I don't think really (.) campaign ar: are the point because
	it's just a way to: make some people feel good about themselves say
	ok we've done that we've made some (.) very 'nice and very 'shocking
	anti_smoking campaign but then the other side they just (.) allow
	everyone even k(id) a kid of age of only ten can go (.) and ask for
	a pack of cigarettes (.) so: I don't really think it's just (.) I
	mean (.) <well I m (.)> [>].
*SAB:	[^ gui: INTR] <it's> [<] not enough but it's a start (.) that's it
	it's just just a start people just have to realise that (.) it(it
	is) it is (.) a start and that (.) we have to do more 'after and
	maybe to erm: (.) to (.) help this: erm fashion context and the fact
	that in in the news they all (.) er: they are all smo(smoking) er
	smoking or: (.) I don't know and on TV and everywhere in France and
	maybe the: the (.) the 'anti_smoking campaign could be: done by (.)
	actors <erm> [>1] famous people [^ gui: INTRclose].
*SEL:	<hm> [<1].
*SJM:	yeah but I I think you're forgetting the 'financial aspect of
	smoking (.) because just consider how 'much 'money (.) erm: the
	s(sx) the government the states by taxes direct and indirect taxes
	imagine how much money they're taking from selling cigarettes and
	tobacco (.) so that's throwing in a lot of money saying ok we've ng
	done some fas(fancy) fancy adverts and everything but at the same
	time they can't really [^ com: indrawn breath] (.) 'afford the fact
	that nobody will smoke in the future they really need the money (.)
	(.) g(given) given by by the tobacco companies and all the taxes
	you're paying when you're buying your pack of cigarettes (.) so: (.)
	I don't really n(nx) I'm not really sure the point (.) is (.) (.)
	'really 'preventing people from smoking I think it's just a good (.)
	a way of making some people feel 'really good about themselves but
	that's <all> [>1] because er p(px) you say it's a start: but I think
	the start should be just say if you're not (.) sixteen or eighteen
	you can't buy cigarettes you are not an adult you're n(not) as you
	say (.) since you're not an adult you're not ab(able) able to make
	your choice and make (.) decision knowing all the (factuals) and all
	the evidence so then (.) if you're not an adult if you're not hold
	enough to take (.) decision knowing all the aspects then you can't
	buy 'that should be a start and not anti campaign (.) anti_smoking
	campaign I mean (.) it shouldn't be a start I mean the start should
	be ok if you're not old enough you can't buy a cigarette if you're
	not only (.) old enough you can't buy alcohol or whatever all the
	drugs (.) that are on sales (.) (.) it shouldn't be this (.) 'this
	should be the start if you really 'don't want people to smoke then
	(.) 'concretely I mean 'really: on the market and not (.) on adverts
	or on papers or everything just do it (.) at the source of the thing
	just go to the shops and say you can't sell tobacco or cigarettes or
	whatever (.) drugs to some (.) to youngsters and to teenagers that
	should be a start.
*SEL:	<hm> [<1].
*SEL:	yeah but I(I) I think she's right at least at least it's a
	beginning because of course of course xxx th(the) the government
	won't (.) won't try to stop young people smoking because (.) it's
	it's at least the problem is not ignored (.) I mean
	[^ com: suspended] .
*SJM:	it's not ignored but it it's just (.) they're making so much money
	out of 'it how(how) do you 'really think that they will (.) 'allow
	'something to prevent from getting 'so much money there's 'nothing
	that (.) earn them so much money that's (.) tobacco sales .
*SAB:	ok but er if you take erm: (.) if you m(mx) for(forbid) forbid er:
	under_sicken hm well for example er: people under sixteen to: buy it
	buy cigarettes (.) er: it will be the same problem the: the
	government will lose money so maybe it w (.) it will
	[^ com: slight laugh in voice] never happen .
*SEL:	hm .
*SJM:	yeah but how do you explain that it works in some countries then
	that I mean <under_age smoking is> [>].
*SAB:	[^ gui: INTR] <maybe their maybe> [<] their: government isn(isn't)
	less greedy (.) I don't know [^ gui: INTRclose] .
@Comment:	chuckle
*SJM:	I mean you you're saying that e the the point of this anti_smoking
	campaign would be maybe not to stop people from smoking because when
	they're addicted as she said whatever she can see on TV nothing
	would prevent her sm(smoking) from smoking but then you say there's
	a 'real point and the important point was to prevent (.) teenagers
	from 'starting (.) but then ho(how) how do you explain in word then
	it's 'nothing to do with (.) maybe it has something maybe they had
	some kind of fancy adverts on TV or in magazines or (.)
	[^ com: indrawn breath] other thing like this but (.) how do you
	explain the word then (.) (.) and it' s not the campaign the word's
	this the rules and law that been enforced .
*SEL:	yeah but a campaign just hits you 'real fast (.) (.) (.) those laws
	and so on (.) they just it's just er: 'information (.) I mean it
	doe(does) it doe(does) it does not (.) the er the aim is not to er
	prevent people from smoking or anything (.) they just inform people
	on on the dangers of tobacco and so on .
*SJM:	do you think that's really that's the point of the campaign .
*SEL:	I think it is .
*SJM:	do you think that people are not informed about I think for example
	you said that (.) nothing would prevent you so <when imagine> [>].
*SJT:	[^ gui: INTP] <I'm aware> [<] of the: of the risk <of the danger of
	smoking> [>] [^ gui: INTPclose] .
*SJM:	<yeah so what how> [<] <clearly> [>].
*SAB:	[^ gui: INTP] <but when when> [<] you started wer(we're) were
	'you(you) really aware of of it [^ gui: INTPclose] .
*SJT:	yeah sure .
*SJM:	so clearly how would you react [^ com: others laugh] just imagine
	you've seen(seen) you've probably seen many (.) before so just
	imagine try to recall how you ru(rux) really react (.) when you see
	this kind of anti_smoking campaign on TV what do you do do you watch
	until the end see what they have to say or do you say I just don't
	care and switch and to another ch(channel) ch(channel) channel or:
	<how(how) clearly> [>1] how do you react.
*SJT:	<xxx> [<1].
*SJT:	[^ gui: startFalse] th(the) erm [^ gui: endFalse].
*SJM:	do you wait <for them> [>].
*SJT:	<even if> [<] even if the image is striking (.) it doesn't touch me
	I don't know (.) (.) erm [^ com: suspended] .
*SJM:	you feel like it's not for yourself .
*SJT:	yeah .
*SJM:	yeah (.) and <you'd be> [>].
*SJT:	[^ gui: INTP] <because> [<] I'm 'aware of the danger of
	<cigarettes> [>] [^ gui: INTPclose] .
*SJM:	[^ gui: INTP] <so do y(you)> [<] you still wait until the end of
	the advert let's say to to hear what they have to say <or do> [>1]
	you think oh I already know that <I already> [>2] know that I'm
	going to die if I smoke [>3] that I'm going to get cancer or so (.)
	so you don't you don't even wait until the end [^ gui: INTPclose].
*SJT:	<no> [<1].
*SJT:	<[^ gui: startFalse] I alrea(already) [^ gui: endFalse]> [<2].
*SJT:	<yeah> [<3].
*SJT:	yeah .
*SJT:	you know they've put some (.) er some: (.) writing on the packet .
*SJM:	yeah .
*SJT:	erm big writing like er: smoking kill or: you will die younger but
	it doesn't prevent you for s(smoking) from smoking less .
*SJM:	yeah <so> [>1] th(the) the s(say) you say that there is still so
	much (.) like (.) anti_smoking advertising everywhere on the pack of
	cigarettes or even TV that you don't don't pay attention.
*SJT:	<[^ gui: startFalse] an(anx) [^ gui: endFalse]> [<1].
*SJT:	hm hm .
*SAB:	yeah they' re just information anyway .
@Comment:	slight pause then several overlapping voices
*SJT:	<[^ gui: SIM] but we are aware> [<].
*SAB:	<[^ gui: SIM] just just because th(the)> [<] because 'this
	particular person doesn't pay attention nobody does .
*SJM:	but do you have things to prove that is really has an impact I mean
	how do y(you) (.) how do you really prove that anti_smoking campaign
	on TV or in magazines or to target teenagers really work I mean how
	do you s(see) how do you see that it works .
*SAB:	maybe we could n(nx) just try and: and see after (.) after a month
	or: (.) or six months .
*SJM:	just try .
*SAB:	yeah try try to to d(develop) develop those campaigns and and see
	(.) see what happens .
*SJM:	so ok so <let's just> [>1] s(sx) throw ho(how) do you know how many
	'millions in adverts (.) just to see.
*SAB:	<why not> [<1].
*SAB:	<[^ gui: startFalse] [^ gui: SIM] well [^ gui: endFalse]> [<] .
*SJM:	<[^ gui: SIM] let's see what happens> [<] .
@Comment:	several voices overlap
*SEL:	at least it's not <being passive> [>].
*SAB:	[^ gui: TCD] < it's something really> [<] (.) it's really mm big
	health problem so maybe (.) it it could be worth it .
*SJM:	and you think TV is the b(best) (.) the best media to do that (.)
	why do you think TV is the best media why .
*SAB:	because it's a mass media .
*SEL:	yeah .
*SJM:	[^ com: repeating faintly] it's a mass media yeah [^ com: louder]
	yeah but what about: (.) I don't know magazine you say you wish you
	wanted to target teenagers so: (.) (.) do you 'really (.) think <TV
	is the best way> [>].
*SAB:	<there's also> [<] advertising in magazines .
*SJM:	hm hm .
*SEL:	yeah .
@Comment:	SJT laughs out loud, others join in audibly at first then silently
*SAB:	faut qu'on passe en français .
*SJM:	ouais mais on passe en français alors .
*SJT:	mais on passe en français comme ça d'entrée .
*SAB:	non non .
@Comment:	25.0
@Comment:	Discussion finishes
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