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@Coder:	Marie-Noëlle Guillot converter MMT
*SAW:	[^ com: faintly] good evening [^ com: louder] good evening
	everybody welcome to our discussion evening (.) we have a fine team
	of of panelists for you er introducing from left to right we have
	SAH SEN SEP and STS all students from the University of East Anglia
	and we're here to debate the: pros and cons of (.) publicity or
	advertising of (.) cigarettes er we've been d(discsussing) having a
	little discussion before the programme started and we're 'mostly
	talking about advertising on television I think that's fair to say
	isn't it .
*SAH:	[^ com: agreeing] hm hm .
*SAW:	so who'd like to kick off (.) (.) would you like to (.) start us
	off SEN .
*SEN:	erm ok well (.) [^ com: indrawn breath] .
*SAW:	are you first of all are you for or are you against erm:
	advertising on the television .
*SEN:	I'm for the advertising of erm: er: cigarettes on television erm
	(.) I think as we were saying before I think it's er: er quite a
	fundamental right to be able to erm first of all 'publicise what
	y(you) what you like on the television and to also you know 'see the
	public (.) publicities erm (.) of the thing that you'd like to buy I
	mean erm [^ com: suspended] .
*SAW:	give everything a good <airing> [>].
*SEN:	<yeah> [<] of course and [^ com: laugh] erm (.) (.) cigarettes e
	there's (.) so many smokers in this world they don't need to be
	catered for there's already a segregation of er exclusion of (.)
	erm: smokers in (.) like <xxx xxx> [>] .
*SAW:	[^ gui: INTR] <there's a sort> [<] of feeling that they're second
	class citizens <almost isn't there> [>] [^ gui: INTRclose] .
*SEN:	<yeah because> [<] they(they're) they're excluded in the
	restaurants they're p(put) put sectioned to one side
	[^ com: draws breath] .
*SAW:	hm .
*SEN:	erm so (.) why should(should) why should they be ac(acxx) made to
	feel c(complete) like complete outsiders by not being able to 'see
	adverts of all the different products that ar(are) are available <on
	the> [>1] market and (.) you know any new products [>2] (.) that (.)
	they might like to buy.
*SAW:	<hm> [<1].
*SAW:	<hm> [<2].
*SAW:	what do you say to that STS do you think that it's right that
	everybody should regardless of whether they smoke or not they should
	have the right to: see what's available .
*STS:	erm I I don't think there's (.) 'any reason why they should have
	advertising on (.) telly (.) because it it sort of does encourage
	erm smoking and it er glamourises it and .
*SAW:	[^ gui: INTN] in what way do you think it glamourises it
	[^ gui: INTNclose] .
*STS:	well they always say it's cool to (.) erm smoke and they have
	beau(beautiful) these (.) erm all these sort of idyllic scenes and
	[>1] (.) things like that and [^ com: suspended] .
*SAW:	<hm> [<1].
*SAW:	cool as a mountain stream [^ com: SAW and STS laugh] before your
	time probably .
@Comment:	more laughter
*STS:	erm (.) yeah and I (.) (.) it the fact is that it you know it's bad
	for you and I don't think that (.) erm I think the government has an
	a(an) a responsibility to control what's being advertised as there
	got to be limits [>1] (.) and [^ com: suspended] .
*SAW:	<hm> [<1].
*SAW:	in other words to protect us against ourselves almost .
*STS:	that's right yes [>1] yeah because (.) people are always erm
	'targeting we're always being targeted by organisations who want to
	make money out of us [>2] (.) and: when they <targ(target)> [>].
*SAW:	<hm> [<1].
*SAW:	<hm> [<2].
*SAW:	[^ gui: INTR] <would> [<] you say that that erm it (.) sort of
	preys on people's 'weaknesses then would you think that (.) mmm [>1]
	what sort of people do you think would be most affected by the
	advertising [^ gui: INTRclose].
*STS:	<[^ gui: startFalse] I thi(think) [^ gui: endFalse]> [<1].
*STS:	I th(think) (.) well it depends erm some (.) a (.) different range
	of people some people erm think it's erm it's sort of (.) cool and
	they want to do it because their friends do it [>1] (.) and (.)
	those and things like that and then other people who are sort of
	stressed and who (.) (.) they want something to (.) take their mind
	off it maybe.
*SAW:	<hm> [<1].
*SAW:	some because it does have a calming influence doesn't it cigarette
	<it's a> [>] [^ com: suspended] .
@Comment:	muted agreement by several voices	
*STS:	er hm but(but) there (ar/have) [^ com: chuckle] well apparently (.)
	but erm (.) it depends I suppose what you're like <but> [>].
*SAW:	[^ gui: INTN] <as a> [<] non_smoker you wouldn't know
	[^ gui: INTNclose] .
@Comment:	laughter SAW and STS
*STS:	[^ gui: TCDN] but erm: there are other ways of erm relaxing erm
	that's not (.) just it (.) <because in the end you (.)> [>].
*SAW:	[^ gui: INTN] <what what do you say to that> [<] then SAH that STS
	is saying that the government has got a responsibility to 'protect
	the people because the <smoking> [>1] is bad for: one's health
	[^ gui: INTNclose].
*SAH:	<hm> [<1].
*SAH:	well first of all I would say the government a(are) also takes a
	lot of VAT on cigarettes so it'd be quite [^ com: suspended] .
*SAW:	so you don't think it's impartial .
*SAH:	well [^ com: general chuckle] I(I'd) I'd ce(certainly) certainly
	say that it's not but (.) a(alos) also about the point that (.)
	cigarettes are bad for your health (.) well (.) lots of things are
	bad for your health but you know they cou (.) we could ban (.)
	adverts for sweets or butter [>2] (.) or:: <alcohol> [>1] cars in
	the wrong hands can be (.) <bad> [>3] for your health
	[^ com: chuckle] (.) erm you know where do you draw the line (.) and
	all <all these products> [>].
*SAW:	<[^ gui: startFalse] yes that's [^ gui: endFalse]> [<1].
*SAW:	<hm hm hm hm> [<2].
*SAW:	<yes> [<3].
*SAW:	[^ gui: INTN] <but cars are not> [<] as accessible to young people
	that that (.) 'is a fact [^ gui: INTNclose] .
*SAH:	no I would agree that (.) erm: tobacco well cigarette advertising
	shouldn't be aimed at (.) the under_sixteens [>1] (.) but that isn't
	'really what we're talking about here is it <that w(wx)> [>].
*SAW:	<hm> [<1].
*STS:	[^ gui: INTP] <erm but> [<] erm if cigarettes it's(it's) it's
	clear: erm what the harm is I mean (.) a few sweets isn't going to
	matter as long as you clean your teeth and you balance it with a(ax)
	s(sensible) erm s(sensible) <sensible diet> [>] [^ gui: INTPclose] .
*SAH:	[^ gui: INTR] <well I don't know> [<] I think if you i(ix) have
	'too much of 'anything it can be bad for you (.) <then> [>]
	[^ gui: INTRclose] .
*STS:	[^ gui: INTR] <but that's> [<] just what I mean a balanced diet and
	(.) tha(that's) that's ok but with cigarettes in(inx) you know
	there's nothing 'good about them [^ gui: INTRclose] .
*SAH:	isn't there (.) <what(what)> [>1] do you do you not think that the:
	(.) the properties SA(SAW) SAW mentioned about (.) the: calming
	influence <and (.) reducing stress> [>].
*STS:	<no> [<1].
*SAW:	<they do definitely have a calming> [<] effect on one and <they do>
	[>1] they do reduce stress.
*SAH:	<yeah> [<1].
*SEP:	but it's all psychological .
*STS:	<[^ gui: SIM] hm hm> [<].
*SAW:	<[^ gui: SIM] do you think so> [<] .
*SEP:	with smokers (.) advertising and television has managed to 'hook
	people on smoking they think they need it and it's psychological
	they 'don't .
*SAW:	[^ gui: startFalse] what do you thin(think) (.) [^ gui: endFalse].
*SEP:	you need fresh air .
*SAW:	what do you think the ad(advertisers) the advertisers are 'saying
	to us then (.) wh(what) what do you think [^ com: suspended] .
*SAH:	<[^ gui: startFalse] [^ gui: SIM] I I think they're just
	[^ gui: endFalse]> [<] .
*SAW:	<[^ gui: SIM] I mean are they saying> [<] buy these cigarettes
	because (.) this would they be saying because they're good for you .
*SEP:	they're <selling> [>1] an 'image (.) 'with the cigarette.
*STS:	<[^ gui: startFalse] xxx [^ gui: endFalse]> [<1].
*SAW:	so is it soph(sophisticated) what what is it <sophisticated> [>].
*SAH:	<it(it) may(maybe) maybe> [<] it depends what you mean by 'good for
	you because (.) wh(while) while they may not have health benefits in
	that they're not going to make your life any longer (.) erm
	[^ com: SAW and SAH laugh] they they can make you (.) more <relaxed
	perhaps> [>] .
*SAW:	<who will admit that> [<] .
*SAH:	well: you know but maybe there's (.) taking excessive amounts of
	alcohol or [>1] (.) or pfff [^ com: lips noise] 'fatty substances
	[>2] (.) but that doesn't mean that it doesn't have other benefits
	in terms of it might make you more 'relaxed erm (.) you know you
	feel more at ease talking to people (.) erm it might (.) enhance
	your chances of pulling if
	[^ com: general laughter which continues over rest of SAH's utterance]
	if you're feeling like that so (.) you know is that such a bad thing
	really.
*SAW:	<hm hm> [<1].
*SAW:	<hm> [<2].
*STS:	well xxx .
*SAW:	well it certainly wouldn't increase the chances of pulling SEP
	[^ com: general laughter] .
*SEP:	'no: [^ com: laughs] .
*SAH:	[^ com: under general laughter] oh well [^ com: more laughter] .
*STS:	yeah yeah (.) so you'd smell as well so .
*SAH:	well .
*STS:	but erm: (.) I think that: erm advertisers they're (.) saying to
	you can you live without it erm to the people who (.) become
	increasingly dependent <on it> .
*SAW:	<yeah> [<] 'm interested in this aspect of it to to s(say) to <say>
	[>1] what 'are the advertisers 'saying to us [>2] (.) I I'm very
	interested in what you think (.) about that.
*SAH:	<hm> [<1].
*STS:	<yeah> [<2].
*STS:	<hm> [<].
*SEP:	<they'> [<] re showing people what they could 'be and what they
	could (.) (.) 'with cigarettes what 'image they could have .
*SAW:	hm <what what is the image I mean if you buy a Kitkat> [<] [>1]
	we're <we're> [>2] told that we're having a break (.) [>3] er is
	that the sort of thing that we're being told by the: tobacco adverts
	do you think (.) is it a little 'moment of (.) relaxation and <a
	little bit of time off> [>].
*SEP:	<this is the person you could be it's very cool> [<1].
*SEP:	<hm> [<2].
*SAH:	<hm> [<3].
*SEP:	<well: if you're smoking> [<] a Malboro cigarette then you're a
	cowboy in a desert [^ com: laughter] and [^ com: suspended] .
*SAW:	<oh right> [<] so it's the wide open <spaces> [>1] [>2] and away
	from <the crowd> [>].
*SEP:	<[^ gui: SIM] hm hm> [<1].
*STS:	<[^ gui: SIM] yeah> [<2].
*SEP:	<you know> [<] they're even using the concept of fresh air (.) to
	sell the cigarette .
*SAW:	oh I see [^ com: laughter] .
*SEP:	<xxx> [<].
*SAH:	<and and what's> [<] wrong with that you know people are entitled
	t(to) to a break from (.) the rigours of everyday life really and
	(.) (.) you know .
*SEN:	and (.) do you not think you're undermining (.) just the general
	public just (.) just a tad (.) there by saying that just by seeing
	this 'one advert of riding in a(a) a c(car) a horse in you know the
	desert or whatever they're going to (.) become a cowboy I mean most
	people know the dangers of smoking most people (.) 'realise you know
	it's it's not the most sociable habit but if they 'want to smoke it
	comes down to er free choice personal choice once again what you
	said about STS said about (.) erm: they should be protected 'why
	should they be protected people have their f(fx) 'own 'minds [>1]
	(.) they should have a free choice to do what they want with their
	lives we all get(get) ly get one li(life) one life
	obvious(obviously) after all if I (.) if I you know if I choose to
	smoke (.) it's my choice why should it be (.) you know (.) why
	should it be: stopped why should (.) my right to watch 'adverts on
	television be hindered just because it might affect some people that
	are not as strong (.) strong_willed enough you know not to give in
	to it .
*STS:	well erm (.) I think it at times it is a good idea for people to be
	controlled to a certain extent (.) <erm: I suppose> [>]
	[^ com: loud exhalation and laughs] .
*SAW:	[^ gui: INTN] <like riding your> [<] motorbike at ninety miles an
	<hour down London Street> [>] [^ gui: INTNclose] .
*STS:	<exactly we've all> [<] (.) er(er) ther(there) s(sx) there's got to
	be some order in (.) the world and (.) I think (.) by for instance
	having a a law which restricts people who were born after a certain
	age from s (.) erm smoking would be erm (.) 'fine erm if for
	instance if they were under the age of smoking (.) and also (.)
	because they couldn't complain because they weren't alrea(already)
	they shouldn't already be addicted to it and: <that would save u >
	[>].
*SAW:	[^ gui: INTN] <hm are you saying> [<] that you'd be in favour of
	making it illegal [^ gui: INTNclose] .
*STS:	I would .
*SAW:	[^ com: slight dubiousness] hm .
*STS:	[^ gui: startFalse] as [^ gui: endFalse].
*SEN:	that's a 'gross infringement of human rights .
@Comment:	general laughter
*STS:	[^ com: initially over the laughter] (but/the) people who are too
	young won't know what they're missing will they and (.) <they can
	break the law> [>1] <if they want> [>2] and go to pr(prison) jail
	and [^ com: suspended] .
*SEP:	<I think yeah> [<1].
*SEN:	<[^ gui: startFalse] I think [^ gui: endFalse]> [<2].
*SEN:	[^ gui: TCDFS] that would have the opposite effect in <my (.)> [>1]
	in my(my) <my opinion> [>2] I think it wou(would) if you <if you
	stop something> [>].
*SAH:	<yeah> [<1].
*STS:	<[^ gui: startFalse] not really b(be) [^ gui: endFalse]> [<2].
*SAW:	[^ gui: INTN] <because then there> [<] would be an element of
	bravado there [^ gui: INTNclose] .
*SEN:	yeah if you stop something completely if you put a complete blanket
	ban on it it would just encourage people (.) t(to) to want it more
	if (.) especially if the 'older generation wou(would) were able to
	have it (.) it would just (.) (.) I think .
*STS:	<[^ gui: startFalse] [^ gui: SIM] well [^ gui: endFalse]> [<] .
*SAH:	[^ gui: INTR] <[^ gui: SIM] yeah> [<] I mean look at 'harder drugs
	<they're (.) (.) illegal and it doesn't stop people who> [>]
	[^ gui: INTRclose] .
*SEN:	[^ gui: INTN] <yeah exac(exactly) it's e(exactly) exactly the same>
	[<] [^ gui: INTNclose] .
*STS:	<I mean that's th(the) [^ com: overlaps from SAH's 'stop people']>
	[<] but that's the same now with people who are under sixteen anyway
	I mean (.) they can't have it yet they 'want to get it and also
	there's the problem of drugs as well I mean [^ com: suspended] .
*SAH:	and <then> [>1] 'banning it there doesn't work so <why would it why
	would it (.) help (.) (.) tobacco> [>].
*STS:	<[^ gui: startFalse] [^ gui: TCD] if if if peop [^ gui: endFalse]>
	[<1].
*STS:	<that's right well yes but if (.) but erm> [<] for instance if
	there's another thing that people want that they can't have then
	maybe they're going to try and get dru(drugs) erm cigarettes but
	(hopefully) and not drugs anymore .
*SAW:	STS what do you think erm is the influence of the advertising on
	this to come back (.) to that because do you think that if there
	were 'no advertising of cigarettes on the television that it 'would
	actually (.) 'lower the incidence of people starting and becoming
	smokers .
*STS:	erm yes I think so (.) erm to a le(lex) yeah to to an extent yes
	because (.) (.) otherwise why wou(would) why do they use the
	adv(adverts) adverts erm (.) (.) (.) because xxx xxx they've go(got)
	they must be effective otherwise (.) you know e erm (.) <cigarette
	companies wouldn't spend millions of pounds on them> [>1] would they
	.
*SEP:	<they wouldn't spend m:illions of pounds> [<1].
*SAW:	although a lot of people start don't they because of their: their
	families <smoke> [>1] [>2] and [^ com: fainter] <their (.) school
	friends smoke> [>].
*SAH:	<[^ gui: SIM] hm> [<1].
*SEN:	<[^ gui: SIM] hm> [<2].
*SEN:	<I mean I completely disagree> [<] with that point I've got to say
	because the adverts are 'so because of the the strict laws that
	under_ (.) sixteens cannot smoke the: the adverts 'are all aimed at
	older people (.) erm they 'have to be because otherwise they'd just
	be go(gox) you know breaking the law (.) so I don't think that the
	you know the adverts would have that much of effect I think this is
	right what you were saying more peer pressure more (.) you know than
	any more than 'publicity and that's completely different .
*STS:	er [^ com: SEN and STS laugh] I I think there the (.) the
	government ought to (.) take responsibility and forget about erm any
	taxes that they might gain from and (.) I think they ought to have a
	few hard_hitting campaigns about (.) .
*SAH:	[^ gui: INT] <well xxx anti_smoking campaigns (.) xxx xxx> [<]
	[^ gui: INTclose] .
*STS:	[^ gui: TCD] < what exactly 'are the effects just to balance out
	this (.) this> [<] erm idea that (.) it is (.) you know a good idea
	when it's 'not (.) (.) erm (.) (.) it's you know lead to a lot of
	illness and [^ com: suspended] .
*SAW:	what do you think about erm: SAH's contention that there are other
	things that you could stop if <if> [>3] cigarettes are bad for you
	so (.) could sweets be bad for <you> [>1] because they could ruin
	your teeth [>2] (.) and coca cola of course dissolves your teeth
	[^ com: laughter].
*SEP:	<hm> [<1].
*SEP:	<well> [<2].
*SEP:	<ah [^ com: loud sigh]> [<3].
*SEP:	it 'does .
*SEP:	I don't no I wouldn't recommend them <erm:> [>].
*SAH:	<would you> [<] ban that as well (.) <would you> [>1] just have us
	eating bread and water xxx xxx.
*SEP:	<erm well:> [<1].
*SEP:	I believe that smoking is erm: (.) (.) it can (.) lead to other
	problems I mean you start smoking a 'cigarette you smoke a 'joint
	and then you know (.) that takes you to the problem of of
	[^ com: chuckle] of drugs (.) <er: in general> [>].
*SAW:	<is the:> [<] are cigarettes more addictive than: most things
	because other things <can be> [>1] addictive coffee can be addictive
	can't it [>2] I think 'sugar is addictive.
*SEP:	<hm> [<1].
*SEP:	<hm> [<2].
*SEN:	chocoholic .
*SAW:	<[^ com: over chuckles] [^ gui: SIM] chocoholics yes xxx> [<] .
*SEP:	<[^ gui: SIM] I believe so yeah> [<].
*STS:	[^ gui: startFalse] well erm [^ gui: endFalse].
*SEP:	but people should have the right to consume what they want I mean
	that's not a problem people smoking is fine but the issue is (.)
	protection you've 'got to really protect the people who 'don't smoke
	and who 'shouldn't smoke it's not the smokers who've got(got) the
	'problem really except health (.) (.) wise
	[^ com: SEP and SAH laugh] erm they smoke and if they smoke in their
	houses and (.) things <(.) (.) it's not a problem> [>].
*SAH:	<but I mean these adverts> [<] aren't encouraging people to go out
	and smoke in people's faces are they tha(that) tha(that) that's just
	the promotion of (.) free choice it's it's <'patronising> [>1] to
	say that (.) they 'shouldn't be allowed to advertise because that's
	like helping people in 'spite of themselves.
*SEP:	<but they 'do> [<1].
*SEP:	hm but <it's> [>1] unrealistic because in real life we don't all
	have a desert of our own to go and smoke in on a horse (.) so
	[^ com: suspended] .
*SAH:	<[^ gui: startFalse] it's [^ gui: endFalse]> [<1].
*SAH:	we don't but I mean that <that isn't an advertising (.)> [>].
*SAW:	[^ gui: INTP] <we'd probably> [<] need a cigarette if we lived in
	the desert wouldn't we [^ gui: INTPclose] .
*STS:	and bu: and we can't really sort of hav(have) have much advertising
	now anyway can we (.) I mean (.) for sort of a last
	advertis(advertise) a(adverts) adverts on billboards were (.) erm
	'banned very recently I think .
*SAW:	hm (.) yes you certainly don't see (.) those very much at all do
	you .
*STS:	no no but erm think of all the litter as well a lot of smokers erm
	just 'leave (.) their stuff when they're finished with it they just
	drop it on the floor stub it out and (.) off they go I mean <they
	don't care> [>].
*SAH:	<yeah but again> [<] there's lots of other rubbish from McDonalds'
	or people throwing bus <tickets> [>1] down you know these
	[^ com: suspended] .
*SAW:	<hm> [<1].
*STS:	well erm the people who (.) throw things down they're all (.) you
	know probably throw (.) all sorts of things down anyway (.) <I
	think> [>].
*SAH:	<so ci(cigarettes) cigarette> [<] advertising isn't going to stop
	them from [>1] (.) throwing 'other things on the ground.
*SAW:	<hm hm> [<1].
*STS:	they could they could remind people to (.) pick up their litter at
	the end [^ com: faint giggles from SEP] and be more responsible .
*SAW:	if you accept that the advertising does actually 'encourage smoking
	[>1] [>2] (.) and I think perhaps we would all agree (.) that that
	to s(sx) to s(sx) a larger or greater extent that that is a fact.
*SEP:	<hm> [<1].
*SAH:	<hm> [<2].
*STS:	hm .
*SAW:	what do you say (.) about the 'cost to the state of (.) the:
	premature deaths and the hospitalisation of people (.) and th(the)
	the 'money that the other people in the country are having to pay in
	their taxes to (.) (.) erm to look to look 'after people who make
	themselves ill (.) on this voluntary basis (.) do you think the
	advertisers have got (.) any kind of responsibility (.) (.) <in
	that> [>] regard .
*SAH:	<wh(whx)> [<] first of all I 'do think they are held responsible in
	(.) through VAT you know (.) in England especially cigarettes are
	heavily taxed (.) so the government should use the money from that
	towards (.) the hospital care of (.) erm people (.) who 'may suffer
	from erm s(smoking) <smoking (.) (.) related> [>].
*SAW:	[^ gui: INTR] <oh yes that's a very good point> [<] <so what> [>1]
	you're saying is that they're 'already [>2] [>3] (.) making a
	contribution [^ gui: INTRclose].
*SEP:	<hm hm> [<1].
*SEP:	<yeah> [<2].
*SAH:	<yeah exactly> [<3].
*SAH:	<[^ gui: startFalse] [^ gui: SIM] and and another other
	point(point) [^ gui: endFalse]> [<] .
*SEP:	<[^ gui: SIM] but is the contribution good> [<] enough (.)
	shouldn't it cover the 'whole cost .
*SAH:	well but how can you say I mean (.) (.) tha(that) .
*SAW:	[^ gui: INTP] <that'd> [<] be difficult <to quantify I suppose
	wouldn't it> [>] [^ gui: INTPclose] .
*SAH:	<peo(people) people end up in hospital for all sorts> [<] of things
	you know if you've had a really bad diet you've eaten fish and chips
	every day of your life and then you end up in hospital [>1] (.)
	should you know the (.) the fish and chip shop down the road
	[^ com: S1AW and SEP laugh] have to (.) make a contribution to your
	[>2] (.) (.) healthcare.
*SEP:	<yeah> [<1].
*SAW:	<yes> [<2].
*SAW:	it's all a question of where you draw the line <isn't it> [>].
*SAH:	<hm> [<] .
*SEN:	and why should (.) smokers be singled out as (.) you know well the
	smoking companies I mean could say that of alcohol (.) you could
	even you could even take it further l (.) diet or (.) for even like
	(.) something like sexually transmitted diseases you know [>2] (.)
	people (.) (.) that's self_induced again you know [>3] [>1] so
	there's no drawing the line (.) <xxx xxx> [>].
*SAH:	<hm> [<1].
*SAW:	<hm> [<2].
*SAW:	<hm> [<3].
*SAW:	[^ gui: INTP] <the thing> [<] about cigarettes is though that I(I)
	I believe that the: (.) nicotine hits the brain in about a half a
	second the minute that you take (.) a breath the nicotine hits the
	brain and I've heard it said that it's more addictive than heroin
	(.) so: we are actually dealing with erm: a really (.) (.) erm: (.)
	a really addictive substance here (.) (.)
	[^ com: pause and sounds of general agreement] <and one which is>
	[>1] readily readily available (.) as I believe that erm (.) if
	you're going to buy drugs it's no(not) it's not quite as easy as
	[^ com: with laughing understatement] buying a packet of cigarettes
	[^ gui: INTPclose].
*SEP:	<yeah of course> [<1].
*SAW:	[^ gui: startFalse] does anybody: [^ gui: endFalse].
*STS:	<yeah that was erm: (.)> [<] that sort of partly goes along with
	what I was saying about sort of (.) you know restricting who can (.)
	get access to it <really> [>1] I think (.) and there should be
	controls and limits I think.
*SAW:	<really> [<1].
*SAW:	hm (.) but then I think perhaps if you did that you'd then have a
	flourishing black market wouldn't you <because as> [>1] SEN said:
	the minute you make something (.) erm maybe accessible to the older
	generation or something all the <younger ones> [>2] will <want> [>3]
	to be having it.
*SAH:	<course yeah> [<1].
*SAH:	<younger ones> [<2].
*SEN:	<yeah> [<3].
*STS:	erm but erm (.) erm th(that) th(that) that's what the police and
	(.) people are for erm: they can control(control) cont(control)
	control that <they they'r(re)> [>].
*SAH:	[^ gui: INTR] <oh people (.) the police> [<] can't control you
	smoking in your own home [^ gui: INTRclose] .
*SEN:	no .
*STS:	no but the black market I mean you get undercover people and (.)
	[^ com: suspended] .
*SAH:	<[^ gui: SIM] well:> [<].
*SAW:	<[^ gui: SIM] hm> [<] .
*SEN:	<[^ gui: SIM] they haven't been able> [<] [>1] to control
	dru(drugs) the harder drugs how effectively in my <opinion> [>2] how
	could they control (.) a so_called softer drug.
*STS:	<[^ gui: startFalse] [^ gui: TCDSP] xxx [^ gui: endFalse]> [<1].
*SAW:	<hm> [<2].
*SAW:	hm .
*STS:	well I'm sure I'm sure it wouldn't increase the amount of
	cigarettes smoked wouldn't increase and [^ com: suspended] .
*SAW:	would you be in favour of the: way that America is going where:
	you're not even really allowed to smoke on the street because it's a
	public place and as SEP was saying everbody's got the right to
	breathe this supposedly fresh air .
*STS:	I(I) I don't think there's anything wrong with that because they do
	litter er streets and (.) (.) [^ com: SAW laughs] I and that and
	that 'is a nuisance people erm smoking I mean if I go to a football
	match there was someone smoking me smoking who was sitting next to
	me and [^ com: suspended] .
*SAW:	you wouldn't like that .
*STS:	well xxx you know I had to breathe i(it) breathe it for a whole
	match and [>1] (.) I got a bit p(px) fed up and that's the same with
	restaurants and (.) you know you've got to put up with it in certain
	sit (.) places because there isn't enough space <elsewhere> [>].
*SAW:	<hm> [<1].
*SAW:	<so do you> [<] object to 'watching the adverts on the television
	then because [^ com: laughing] they're wasting your time .
*STS:	well I ignore adverts anyway [>1] (.) <but er> [>].
*SAW:	<right [^ com: still laughing]> [<1].
*SAH:	so so so you 'choose to ignore you haven't been induced to smoke
	maybe you could say that people who (.) want to smoke 'will smoke
	anyway [>1] (.) erm and the cigarettes yes they wi (.) (.) er the
	the adverts will (.) <draw your attention to the fact that they're
	there> [>].
*SAW:	<hm hm> [<1].
*SAW:	<so we come full circle don't we> [<] do they actually <make> [>1]
	<any> [>2] difference.
*SAH:	<well> [<1].
*SEP:	<yeah> [<2].
*STS:	well there must be 'some difference otherwise what's the point
	really .
*SAH:	bu(but) yeah bu(but) peo(people) people like you obviously make a
	choice you you you watch the adverts but you decide not to smoke why
	should I not be allowed to do it and decide that yeah I will will
	smoke .
*STS:	hm well .
*SAW:	I think it's because STS might happen to be sitting next to you
	[^ com: general laughter] well thank you 'very much everybody for
	coming in it's been a very interesting discussion (.) and I hope
	that you the viewers have enjoyed yourselves as well
	[^ com: muted sniggers] so from all of us here at the UEA adios .
@Comment:	24.1
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